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It Only Takes Eight Lines [Mar. 22nd, 2010|06:44 pm]
Tomas Gallucci
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It took over 6,000 pages of lies, half-truths and lawyer doublespeak to get an incomplete so-called "Health Care Reform Bill" passed. Michele Bachmann required only three-fourths of a page and eight lines of text.

Call your Congresscritter and tell them to support Michele's Bill and put Obamacare six feet under where it belongs.

321 inside job

News for Democrats: we banned slavery with a Constitutional Amendment. It will take more than a phantom "health care" bill for you to bring it back.

[User Picture]From: joey_glover
2010-03-24 11:27 pm (UTC)
nice thought if only it were coherent. Or true, either one really.
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[User Picture]From: schpydurx
2010-03-24 11:40 pm (UTC)
What lacks coherency? Where's the lack of truth?

Thanks for swinging by. Haven't seen you in forever.
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[User Picture]From: joey_glover
2010-03-24 11:50 pm (UTC)
First off, regardless of whether or not it's slavery, it's now law. Therefore, our "phantom" health care bill is, as a matter of fact, actually a health care bill, entirely devoid of phantom status.
I don't know enough about Bachmann's Bill to shoot you down there. But from experience, I'll assume that
A)You're full of shit
and B) You're argument won't hold enough water to extinguish a cigarette.
Missed you too, by the way.
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[User Picture]From: schpydurx
2010-03-24 11:57 pm (UTC)
I didn't say that the bill was a phantom bill. I tacked that on from reality_hammer's post and stand by it. I agree that Obama just signed something into law. But do you really know what it is?

Furthermore, with all the amendments that are going through Congress at the moment, Obamacare isn't through. So I ask you, what precisely are the terms of the so-called Health Care Reform package?

I will, however, for the time being call Obamacare phantom because that's exactly what it is and what is has been during it's entire legislative history. Those of us in the IT industry have a phrase that Microsoft uses to describe all of their products: a work in progress. That's exactly what Obamacare is–an undefineable utopian concept.

If you click the image, you can read the text of Congresswoman Bachmann's bill.

Edited at 2010-03-25 02:58 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: joey_glover
2010-03-25 12:18 am (UTC)
Ok tom, for just a moment, name to me any given administration or political agenda that isn't a work in progress.
Secondly, utopian my ass. Albeit, it's idealistic, it's also being implemented with great success in the greater part of Europe. Countries such as Germany, Britain, Canada (secret extension of Europe), Sweden, Switzerland (if i'm correct), and France.
And also, if the democrats are utopianists, Republicans are some sick cross-breed of fuedalistic fascists.

PS> this is what's in the health care


* Subsidies begin for small businesses to provide coverage to employees.
* Insurance companies barred from denying coverage to children with pre-existing illness.
* Children permitted to stay on their parents' insurance policies until their 26th birthday.



* Set up long-term care program under which people pay premiums into system for at least five years and become eligible for support payments if they need assistance in daily living.

Taxes and fees

* Drug makers face annual fee of $2.5 billion (rises in subsequent years).


Taxes and fees

* New Medicare taxes on individuals earning more than $200,000 a year and couples filing jointly earning more than $250,000 a year.
* Tax on wages rises to 2.35% from 1.45%.
* New 3.8% tax on unearned income such as dividends and interest.
* Excise tax of 2.3% imposed on sale of medical devices.

Cost control

* Medicare pilot program begins to test bundled payments for care, in a bid to pay for quality rather than quantity of services.



* Create exchanges where people without employer coverage, as well as small businesses, can shop for health coverage. Insurance companies barred from denying coverage to anyone with pre-existing illness.
* Requirement begins for most people to have health insurance. Subsidies begin for lower and middle-income people. People at 133% of federal poverty level pay maximum of 3% of income for coverage. People at 400% of poverty level pay up to 9.5% of income. (Poverty level currently is about $22,000 for a family of four.)
* Medicaid, the federal-state program for the poor, expands to all Americans with income up to 133% of federal poverty level.
* Subsidies for small businesses to provide coverage increase. Businesses with 10 or fewer employees and average annual wages of less than $25,000 receive tax credit of up to 50% of employer's contribution. Tax credits phase out for larger businesses.

Taxes and fees

* Employers with more than 50 employees that don't provide affordable coverage must pay a fine if employees receive tax credits to buy insurance. Fine is up to $3,000 per employee, excluding first 30 employees.
* Insurance industry must pay annual fee of $8 billion (rises in subsequent years).

Cost control

* Independent Medicare board must begin to submit recommendations to curb Medicare spending, if costs are rising faster than inflation.


Taxes and fees

* Penalty for those who don't carry coverage rises to 2.5% of taxable income or $695, whichever is greater.



* Businesses with more than 100 employees can buy coverage on insurance exchanges, if state permits it.


Taxes and fees

* Excise tax of 40% imposed on health plans valued at more than $10,200 for individual coverage and $27,500 for family coverage.

—Sources: House bill; Kaiser Family Foundation

Corrections & Amplifications
The House health legislation imposes a 2.3% excise tax on the sale of medical devices. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said the tax was 2.9%, the figure before a last-minute change to the legislation."
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[User Picture]From: ehowton
2010-03-26 12:06 am (UTC)
I take it this means you didn't get fired?
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[User Picture]From: schpydurx
2010-03-26 12:07 am (UTC)
I don't see how you would make that correlation. And no, not as yet.
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[User Picture]From: ehowton
2010-03-26 12:13 am (UTC)
I don't see how you would make that correlation.
Were I to have been fired, I would've probably posted something more along those lines.

And no, not as yet.
Then this is good news.

Edited at 2010-03-26 03:14 am (UTC)
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