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Obamanation [Jan. 23rd, 2009|11:56 am]
Tomas Gallucci
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Alright, I know that I have in recent years tried to keep my ramblings about the kids away from the blog...however, today I just have to share my jarbled thoughts about President Obama's-- doesn't that look great!-- inauguration, and my kids might spill over into this as they spent a great deal of this election actively following it.



Actually, that is the first place I want to start. I have a five year old political junkie on my hands and I love it. It all started with the fact that I listen to NPR in the car as I drive around and as such they too must listen. Wouldn't you know that my amazingly smart children have both decided that Obama would be the best choice for president? Bless you my children, I couldn't agree more. While my three year old has been happy to just get giddy at the mention of our now president's name, it is my older son who could readily tell you how many days until the election, or the swearing in of the new president. He could even tell you that then Senator Obama wanted to 'make the war go away' and 'make people not have their homes go away' anymore. How wonderful.



To which I have this to say:

If your kids are so smart and well adjusted, I want to know how the feel about being more susceptible to terrorist attacks now that Club Gitmo is being closed down. I want to know how they think they will feel when they see their mother blown to bits in front of them when a suicide bomber detonates himself in the middle of peaceful business here on American soil.

Do your kids think it's fair that people can get loans that they can't afford and then have the government steal money from hard working citizens to pay for those loans? Most importantly, do your kids really think that bringing the troops home somehow magically ends the war, makes America loved the globe over and decimates all enemies both foreign and domestic henceforth?

When they can answer these questions, then we'll talk about about how smart and well adjusted your kids are.
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[User Picture]From: reboot_kid
2009-01-23 03:19 pm (UTC)
Closing Gitmo doesn't make us safer, nor does it make us less secure. The people who were released from it have already gone back to their ways if they're going to. News stories would seem to indicate some have. That release happened in November 2007, so is moot to the discussion at hand.
Closing Gitmo buys the US a small amount of credibility on the international stage. Not much, but these days pretty much anything helps. Personally having traveled to western Europe, countries that are supposed to be our allies, and having to conceal the fact that I am an American just to make sure I make it back to my hotel safe, is not a comfortable fact. My personal preference about the presidential candidate aside, Obama's becoming president does help stabilize things on the international scale a small amount. I cannot say that McCain being elected would have had the same ameliorating affect.

Additionally, the bailout of the banking institution, the buying up of bad debt, etc, was authorized during the Bush administration. He said it was necessary as well. Crediting that to Obama is not factual. That said, I agree. Giving people loans they cannot afford is bad banking practice. The history that allows that goes back to before I was legally allowed to vote, but I disagreed with that change then. However, if you'll allow me to paraphrase, "When you're knee deep in alligators, it's difficult to remember your initial objective was to drain the swamp." The initial objective was to get affordable housing into the hands of the masses. The problem stems from human greed, lack of oversight, and the banking industry exploiting both of those items. For me, the financial crunch isn't a presidential problem, it's a problem for people who signed up to pay for something they could not actually pay. Those are the people who should be held responsible. The people who gave folks bad financial advice should be held responsible. However, now that we're in the hole, the question is about getting out of the hole. We want to make sure that in fixing this, we don't make it worse, but that we do it in a way to prevent this mess from happening again.

All that covered, it is not germane to the point you were trying to make. The kids are allowed to have their own opinion, just as you and I are allowed to have ours. Equating the kids being excited over a new president to the problems caused by previous administrations is neither fair to the kids, the previous administration, the current administration, or anyone you are trying to help see your point of view.
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[User Picture]From: schpydurx
2009-01-24 02:16 am (UTC)
Closing Gitmo doesn't make us safer, nor does it make us less secure.
I think it makes us less secure because to me, closing Gitmo sends the message that we will treat terrorists as citizens instead of the evil doers they are. Yes it is true that the same person may be viewed as both a terrorist and a freedom fighter, but killing 3,000 in one whack to make a political statement doesn't sound like freedom fighting to me. To me, it reeks of power-lust, dictatorship and religious zealotry which is not to be tolerated. Without falling prey to Godwin's Law, I will say that those who do not study history and learn from it are doomed to repeat it.

I cannot say that McCain being elected would have had the same ameliorating affect.
We can thread this train of thought off if you like, but simply put, McCain was a poor choice to nominate for President. I think that what happened was someone behind closed doors thought that because of the media's lovefest for McCain (as exemplified during the '00 primaries and again when Daschle was courting McCain, convincing him to vote Democrat on a number of issues) he would get a pass in the media and would be liberal enough to counter what some saw as Bush being too Conservative, (a paradox in itself) while still appealing to the Republican Base. The real news from the last election cycle is that somehow Obama was able to eclipse Hillary. I think that the best candidate for the job was Ron Paul.

To directly answer your assertion, I agree that McCain would not have been the change that most people wanted to see in America around the globe, nor do I believe that he would have done what is necessary to win the War on Terror.

Crediting that to Obama is not factual.
I did not mean to imply that Obama was at fault for the bailout, despite his YEA vote. I was criticizing his party's mentality that makes people victims and government a knight in shining armor. Obama has, however, made many promises of delivering welfare to special interest groups, ethnics, minorities etc. It was my intention to incorporate the spirit of motivation behind the bailout (a government handout) rather than trying to pin the bailout solely on the President.

[Again, we can thread that thought out. I know that some thought that it was best to prop up the banks, lest bank failure result in widespread business failure across the country.]

For me, the financial crunch isn't a presidential problem, it's a problem for people who signed up to pay for something they could not actually pay.
AMEN! And that's coming from a guy who dropped out of college twice, owes on student loans, has a car payment and has let credit cards become his master though I was, until October, on track to get out of debt. I am still moving forward, but not at the speed I projected when I made my plans last summer.

The kids are allowed to have their own opinion, just as you and I are allowed to have ours.
Certainly! I'm not saying they shouldn't.

Equating the kids being excited over a new president to the problems caused by previous administrations is neither fair to the kids, the previous administration, the current administration, or anyone you are trying to help see your point of view.
No, it's not. This post was a knee-jerk reaction to what I read and felt I needed to vent. Yes, I was harsh and over the top, but my point was that if you want to praise the kids for being so smart (when in reality they are just repeating what they have heard over and over again), we should be able to measure that aptitude by how well they understand to, respond and can relate to scenarios that are the ramifications of the decisions of both the past and current administrations as well as the current administration's campaign promises.

Thank you for adding your insight to this forum.
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[User Picture]From: reboot_kid
2009-01-24 02:36 am (UTC)
Thank you for being level headed.
Going back and reading my words, I think I came off as a little hot headed. My apologies.
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[User Picture]From: schpydurx
2009-01-24 02:39 am (UTC)
Not at all! I've spent all day thinking about how I better have my ducks in a row when I replied because your comments were so well thought out and accurate.

I think I should warn you up front that I do intend to be vocal on several of the upcoming issues, most of which were raised on the campaign trail. I think you see which way I lean, so...just heads up.

In other news, I have more technology stuff I want to cover too!
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[User Picture]From: ehowton
2009-01-23 03:28 pm (UTC)
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security ~ Benjamin Franklin
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[User Picture]From: schpydurx
2009-01-23 03:31 pm (UTC)
Amen.
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From: snapper521
2009-01-23 10:03 pm (UTC)
Love Ben Franklin...
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From: snapper521
2009-01-23 10:02 pm (UTC)
Heh... posting about politics... that's pretty gutsy of you wouldn't you say? You're going to get lambasted... regardless that I agree with much of what you have said.

I am stupid in the respect that I purposely try not to get to mixed up in political stuff... I mean yes I have opinions but I don't go out of my way to listen to political radio or anything like that. As you well know.

Anyway... I'm gonna shut up before I say something I shouldn't.

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[User Picture]From: schpydurx
2009-01-23 11:22 pm (UTC)
posting about politics... that's pretty gutsy of you wouldn't you say?
No. I've posted about politics many times before.

I am stupid in the respect that I purposely try not to get to mixed up in political stuff.
This is why you fail. Apathy is the wrong response to the current situation.

I want you interested. I want you studying the issues. I want you mad. Why? Because I want you educating yourself and your loved ones on the issues now so that when those midterm elections roll around Lord Obama looses his supposed mandate.

I mean yes I have opinions but I don't go out of my way to listen to political radio or anything like that. As you well know.
You can't make informed decisions without information. If you don't keep up with the issues, how are you supposed to know what you're voting on when you go to the polls?

I'm gonna shut up before I say something I shouldn't.
A better idea would be to shut up, get informed and then not shut up until everyone you meet knows the truth.
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From: snapper521
2009-01-24 10:05 pm (UTC)
Heh. I'm not gonna respond to this. :-)
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[User Picture]From: schpydurx
2009-01-25 02:12 am (UTC)
Don't doubt me.
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